Possible Change To Raid Schedule Options

[Mandrake]

After having talked to Fekta, it seems that the last 3 (or maybe 4?) Thursday raids have been cancelled due to low attendance.

Considering that Thursday is now apparently our "bad" night, how would people feel about flipping Wednesday and Thursday (i.e. raid Wednesdays and have Thursday for offnights/10-mans)?

[Zyblue]

I'm all for anything that means more consistent attendance.

[Draukadin]

Give Wednesday a shot. Maybe it will work out better for attendance. Can't hurt.

[Warilyn]

Weds nights would be perfect

Guess I would have to find a new ten man group, but main raiding is the thing, especially when we get our groove down and put the LK to bed.

[Convalesce]

Guess I'm out of a 10 man group now.

I'm always for less raid days. I don't see why we can't clear content in 3 days with 1+ day for 10 mans.

I believe as of this week the limited attempts on bosses are removed so we don't have to dance around bosses that we think we don't want to try that night because we'll "waste a good attempt on".

Our 10 man cleared past the first half with 9 people and then had lots of afk time, yet we still learned/killed Dreamwalker in 1 night.

It would be nice if we could pull our heads out of our asses and get things done. There is no reason we shouldn't be attempting/killing Bloodqueen by the end of our first night which leaves the other 2 days for Frost Wing content. IMO the more raid nights you have means the more the pivitol 2-3 people don't show.That is PLENTY of time and I'm sure I'm not alone in not wanting this damn game turning into a second job or I'm talking out of my ass and people have nothing else to do with their week but raid.


-GB

[Mandrake]

Finally, a dissenting opinion. No decision has been made yet, and none will be made till we hear from a LOT more raiders.

[Cargoth]

In response to Guilt, there are three things that would need to happen to really blast through content, we'd need to raid 7:30-11 on all the days we raid, not just some of them. That would, though, probably be the easy part. We would also need to speed up time between pulls. There is currently a lot waiting/socializing/talking/talking in officer (all of the previous categories being not related to the pull at hand), that would need to be cut back. Finally, we usually have long times to wipe (usually due to ppl wanting to farm the meter) and stragglers running back. Everyone needs to die and then release and run back quickly.
We could probably do something like take 5 (and really 5, not 10 or w/e), ever hour to help people focused up. That would probably help with the distractions some, but the rest the people need to simply push for, it takes a group effort to really do.

[dom]

guilt hasnt posted anythign thats GB as in octo,and ur not alone goldy im also on board for 3 nights a week learning fights is learning fights its gonan take time, time that we have i mean fuck this content is around forever the xpac is so far away. i know theres hardmodes but we will get some of those down but not all of em this is a semi casual guild we don't sit people from dieing in shit or having low dps which is the reason this guild is still around and its one instance not 2 like ToC . i also like idea that i have another night to go out if i want to, or play an alt ,do a 10 man,pvp, not wanna choke the people i raid with due to them causing a wipe on the content we have cleared so many times i think raiding these 13 bosses is gonna get old very fast put a 4th night on there and i see raiding coming to stop faster than you want it too due to the burn of repetition.

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[Arucard]

Didn't we stop raiding on Wednesday before because we couldn't get enough people to show up? It will probably just cycle back to being the same shizit as it was. I like Thursday more because it's a bit sexier for my schedule.

[Zyblue]

I am for more consistent attendance on all days, not just Wednesday/Thursday or Sunday and Monday. The only raid night that we can count on getting a 25 man off the ground is Tuesday. That gets frustrating after a bit.

Maybe we should consider 3 nights a week. That'll give folks more to specifically focus on as opposed to spreading our attendance out. It'll also give more opportunity for 10 mans. It's easier to learn a fight on 10 man sometimes since there is more space for spreading out if needed, fewer gimmicks, ect. It's also easier to give personalized attention yet pulls happen faster since there are fewer things to wait on. Basically 10 mans will get folks experience and gear which will help the 25 man nights out immensely.

Like Dom says this place is going to have to last us awhile. There's no point in rushing thru it. Granted this is Xpac is my only experience raiding but what he's saying about burnout and stuff sounds reasonable. Slow and steady >>>> fast, hot and short.

[Telchor]

I'm all for dropping a night from the raid schedule.

We are only raiding ICC. If we were still farming Ulduar for shards or making ToC hard mode attempts, I could see the point. At this time, there's no reason why we cant get the farmed bosses down on Tuesday and still have two full days for pushing new/harder content.

While I'd prefer to have three days of raiding in a row, such as Tue - Thurs, if filling Thursday raids is problematic, then drop it and dedicate Sunday and Monday to making attempts on the harder stuff.

This would keep our Wednesday night 10 mans largely intact and open up a non-weekend night for alt runs or pvp. Personally, I wouldnt mind seeing a regular ToC 25 alt raid on Thursdays. Quite a few of us have alts that are a little under-geared for ICC and could use a few upgrades before being able to move up to a harder raid.

[Qalvin]

My vote falls for 3 days. Divine Twilight raids 3 days a week, and they are a boss past us in progression. We just have to cut back on the chatter and time wasting that happens between each pull. Swapping from a low attendence day to another low attendence day just seems pointless. We always seem to have full groups Sun-Tue.

On a personal note, I work Thur and Fri mornings starting at 4am EST. So not having to be up to 11pm the night before makes a work day a bit easier to handle.

To add to that note, if anyone wants to start a weekend 10man ICC, that can play every week at the same time with the same group, let me know please.

-Bromory

[Aeressqt]

After having talked to Fekta, it seems that the last 3 (or maybe 4?) Thursday raids have been cancelled due to low attendance.

Considering that Thursday is now apparently our "bad" night, how would people feel about flipping Wednesday and Thursday (i.e. raid Wednesdays and have Thursday for offnights/10-mans)?

Wednesday works for me for 25 man raid if you chose it over Thursday.

As far as 10 man IC, I haven't been included in the leet 10 mans with people who raid in Judgement on my priest at all. I think possibly Kaylick and Zavik share in this disappointment. That aside, I wouldn't recommend planning main course raids around 10 man side dishes; i.e. 10 mans can even be dessert after main raid for the motivated, especially as content becomes familiar and simplified by muscle memory.

My opinion is to keep main raids at 4 days and if we can down all content in 3 days, then Monday could potentially be used as ToGC or achievement or whatever presents itself in the future.

[Cargoth]

Wooops, that was @Octo then.
With regard to pushing for 3 days, I would like to see us raid better 1st (as per the 3 things already listed, and if anyone has some ideas to speed up raids), and drop a day 2nd. We finished this week with 10 wipes left on the counter, so it isn't like we closed out everything we could do.

[Corath]

i have no opinion one way or the other. i can however make raids on wednesday.

[Fekta]

Wednesday works for me for 25 man raid if you chose it over Thursday.

As far as 10 man IC, I haven't been included in the leet 10 mans with people who raid in Judgement on my priest at all. I think possibly Kaylick and Zavik share in this disappointment. That aside, I wouldn't recommend planning main course raids around 10 man side dishes; i.e. 10 mans can even be dessert after main raid for the motivated, especially as content becomes familiar and simplified by muscle memory.

My opinion is to keep main raids at 4 days and if we can down all content in 3 days, then Monday could potentially be used as ToGC or achievement or whatever presents itself in the future.

25 man raids are not scheduled around 10 mans. Never have been, never will be. People will find time to do 10 mans no matter what the raid schedule. Also this isn't a guild that fancies achievements much; we aren't hardcore in the slightest. Trying to schedule a guild run for achievements would be met with tepid interest at best.


As far as the 3 or 4 night raids go.....i'll defer to the masses but logging on Thursdays to not enough people is getting old.

[Arthonos]

You could really boil it down to just 3 questions: How many nights a week does Judgement want to raid? Can people make those night consistently so we have the numbers to get things done? How many people are we missing, and is it worth it for the stability of the guild to want to recruit new players?

[Telchor]

As far as 10 man IC, I haven't been included in the leet 10 mans with people who raid in Judgement on my priest at all. I think possibly Kaylick and Zavik share in this disappointment.

Well, this is pretty much a result of when you joined the guild and how many people can commit to regular 10man groups. I've talked with a few people about the possibility of changing the Group 2 roster and maybe adding a 3rd 10 man group. It may be beneficial to have Group 2 start at 7pm like Group 1 does and schedule a 3rd group that starts later on Wednesday night, or even on a weekend/Thursday (if we drop that night from the raid schedule). I think once we get a decision made on the 25man Main Raid schedule, we should be able to work on fixing the 10man problem.

With regard to pushing for 3 days, I would like to see us raid better 1st (as per the 3 things already listed, and if anyone has some ideas to speed up raids), and drop a day 2nd. We finished this week with 10 wipes left on the counter, so it isn't like we closed out everything we could do.

Dont forget, we didnt raid on Sunday due to the Super Bowl, so we would have got all the attempts in this week. Since we wont need to worry about attempt counters until we start hard modes, I think we'll be fine assuming we get a little more disciplined during the nights we do raid.

Wiping quickly when its called for and quicker recovery will help a lot. Also, more often than not, it seems like we take MUCH longer than the allotted 5 minutes during our scheduled breaks. Lately they've been pushing 10-15 minutes.

[APlear]

Well I, like others its seems, am getting frustrated by the lack of people showing up for raids except for tuesdays. Then everyone and their brother shows up. Now is this because its easy farm day and everyone wants free badges and easy loot, or is it just a good day for everyone to show? I have no clue but I suspect the first one. I do not care what night we raid, Ill be there for whatever nights we decide unless its a Friday and that I prob cant make just because thats a given family time here. I am also wanting our group 2 10 man raid to progress but at the current rate of one night a week its going nowhere fast and starting earlier would be great as well. Of course like Guilt said maybe this is a topic for another thread. But I do politely disagree a little on Feta's view, while we should not revolve around 10 mans for our 25 man schedule, I think its very important to include/schedule as many of us as we can in them as it can only help learn/refine the fights in 25 man. With all that being said, I really like the idea of a 3 day main raid week, and Im sure my wife does as well lol but!!!!! Those three nights need to be business. Less bs on vent, less F'ing, oh sorry zy, Less Cheesesandwiching around, far less times between pulls ect ect..... We have the talent to clear to the Frostwing in one night I have no doubt of that but people have to be there to raid and if there not well why are they there?????

[APlear]

BTW, the limit of attemps is now dropped from 25/10 man normal mode so thats not an issue any longer.